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		<title>By: Bandobras</title>
		<link>http://exurbanpedestrian.wordpress.com/2008/05/22/give-a-man-a-fish/#comment-327</link>
		<dc:creator>Bandobras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 12:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All you whinging tax sucking lefties make me sick. After 13 yrs of schooling paid for exclusively by taxes. And after university paid for 2/3 by taxes. After several trips to emergency, paid for by taxes. I am a self made man and I don&#039;t see why everyone else can&#039;t do the same thing. Oh yeah I forgot my parents paid for a bunch of stuff too but that still counts as self made in my books. So I don&#039;t see why we self made men/women should have to help anyone else. No charity, no welfare, no education, no health care. They should take care of themselves like we do and be happy we allow them in our country.  Now I have to go see how I can cheat on my taxes which are way to high.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All you whinging tax sucking lefties make me sick. After 13 yrs of schooling paid for exclusively by taxes. And after university paid for 2/3 by taxes. After several trips to emergency, paid for by taxes. I am a self made man and I don&#8217;t see why everyone else can&#8217;t do the same thing. Oh yeah I forgot my parents paid for a bunch of stuff too but that still counts as self made in my books. So I don&#8217;t see why we self made men/women should have to help anyone else. No charity, no welfare, no education, no health care. They should take care of themselves like we do and be happy we allow them in our country.  Now I have to go see how I can cheat on my taxes which are way to high.</p>
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		<title>By: XUP</title>
		<link>http://exurbanpedestrian.wordpress.com/2008/05/22/give-a-man-a-fish/#comment-319</link>
		<dc:creator>XUP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 15:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think if people think of times that they may have been out of work and had to rely on UI and multiply that experience it might give them an inkling of what it&#039;s like to live &quot;in a system&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think if people think of times that they may have been out of work and had to rely on UI and multiply that experience it might give them an inkling of what it&#8217;s like to live &#8220;in a system&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: zoom</title>
		<link>http://exurbanpedestrian.wordpress.com/2008/05/22/give-a-man-a-fish/#comment-318</link>
		<dc:creator>zoom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 14:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s true. And then the knowledge that you&#039;re technically cheating and the fear of getting caught is what keeps you under control. You don&#039;t dare criticize the welfare system, even though it&#039;s one of the most dehumanizing, demeaning and irrational systems going. I remember being afraid to even ask for any clarification of the myriad of complicated rules because I didn&#039;t want to draw attention to myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s true. And then the knowledge that you&#8217;re technically cheating and the fear of getting caught is what keeps you under control. You don&#8217;t dare criticize the welfare system, even though it&#8217;s one of the most dehumanizing, demeaning and irrational systems going. I remember being afraid to even ask for any clarification of the myriad of complicated rules because I didn&#8217;t want to draw attention to myself.</p>
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		<title>By: XUP</title>
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		<dc:creator>XUP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 14:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robin - the welfare system is set up to make cheating not only inevitable, but also necessary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robin &#8211; the welfare system is set up to make cheating not only inevitable, but also necessary</p>
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		<title>By: robin</title>
		<link>http://exurbanpedestrian.wordpress.com/2008/05/22/give-a-man-a-fish/#comment-316</link>
		<dc:creator>robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 13:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been on welfare. It&#039;s not enough to live on. I think anybody on welfare that doesn&#039;t have something going on on the side - odd jobs paid under the table, selling stuff, busking on the street, whatever - just isn&#039;t trying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been on welfare. It&#8217;s not enough to live on. I think anybody on welfare that doesn&#8217;t have something going on on the side &#8211; odd jobs paid under the table, selling stuff, busking on the street, whatever &#8211; just isn&#8217;t trying.</p>
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		<title>By: zoom</title>
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		<dc:creator>zoom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 13:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob - now you want to hold poor people to a *higher* standard than everybody else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob &#8211; now you want to hold poor people to a *higher* standard than everybody else?</p>
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		<title>By: XUP</title>
		<link>http://exurbanpedestrian.wordpress.com/2008/05/22/give-a-man-a-fish/#comment-314</link>
		<dc:creator>XUP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 12:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zoom &amp; JB - Thanks for the info on Hamilton.  I didn&#039;t know they were so progressive in this area.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;HD - wherever there&#039;s a system there&#039;s going to be abuse, but we can&#039;t use that as an excuse to withhold assistance. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Bob - you were doing pretty well there in the 1st paragraph, then you lost me again. Why should people who have less money than others have to live by different rules when it comes to basic human needs? Why shouldn&#039;t they be allowed to buy junk food like the rest of us or blow some of their grocery money or rent money on a new winter coat for their kid if they want to? Does being poor automatically make you an incompetent moron who needs every aspect of his life carefully monitored? Poverty has a thousand faces.  There are families with both parents working at whatever job they can get who still can&#039;t make ends meet because housing takes up 80% of their wages. There are people who are disabled or  the elderly whose pensions barely stretch to 2 weeks, let alone 4; women with very young children abandoned by their husbands and an ineffectual spousal support recovery system.  All these people are perfectly capable of choosing their own groceries.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Josie - Yes, very true. It&#039;s convenient to assume people are poor because they&#039;re lazy, drunk, shiftless losers who spend all their time figuring out ways to spyphon more tax dollars off of us regular working stiffs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zoom &#038; JB &#8211; Thanks for the info on Hamilton.  I didn&#8217;t know they were so progressive in this area.</p>
<p>HD &#8211; wherever there&#8217;s a system there&#8217;s going to be abuse, but we can&#8217;t use that as an excuse to withhold assistance. </p>
<p>Bob &#8211; you were doing pretty well there in the 1st paragraph, then you lost me again. Why should people who have less money than others have to live by different rules when it comes to basic human needs? Why shouldn&#8217;t they be allowed to buy junk food like the rest of us or blow some of their grocery money or rent money on a new winter coat for their kid if they want to? Does being poor automatically make you an incompetent moron who needs every aspect of his life carefully monitored? Poverty has a thousand faces.  There are families with both parents working at whatever job they can get who still can&#8217;t make ends meet because housing takes up 80% of their wages. There are people who are disabled or  the elderly whose pensions barely stretch to 2 weeks, let alone 4; women with very young children abandoned by their husbands and an ineffectual spousal support recovery system.  All these people are perfectly capable of choosing their own groceries.</p>
<p>Josie &#8211; Yes, very true. It&#8217;s convenient to assume people are poor because they&#8217;re lazy, drunk, shiftless losers who spend all their time figuring out ways to spyphon more tax dollars off of us regular working stiffs.</p>
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		<title>By: Josie</title>
		<link>http://exurbanpedestrian.wordpress.com/2008/05/22/give-a-man-a-fish/#comment-313</link>
		<dc:creator>Josie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 05:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I volunteer for the Food Bank in Vancouver.  For the most part, the people who use the food bank are really living below the poverty level and are quite grateful for the services of the food bank, especially near the end of the month.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Poverty is a huge issue, and it always amazes me that in countries like Canada and the U.S., there are so many people living in poverty.  I think it&#039;s like so many things, people tend to &quot;blame the victim&quot;, so not much effort is put into helping the situation overall.  It&#039;s like Scrooge said, &lt;em&gt;&quot;Are there no workhouses? Are there no prisons?&quot;&lt;/em&gt;  People say, &lt;em&gt;&quot;Can&#039;t they get jobs?&quot;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think more effort is put into helping stray animals in North American than is put into helping &quot;stray&quot; people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I volunteer for the Food Bank in Vancouver.  For the most part, the people who use the food bank are really living below the poverty level and are quite grateful for the services of the food bank, especially near the end of the month.</p>
<p>Poverty is a huge issue, and it always amazes me that in countries like Canada and the U.S., there are so many people living in poverty.  I think it&#8217;s like so many things, people tend to &#8220;blame the victim&#8221;, so not much effort is put into helping the situation overall.  It&#8217;s like Scrooge said, <em>&#8220;Are there no workhouses? Are there no prisons?&#8221;</em>  People say, <em>&#8220;Can&#8217;t they get jobs?&#8221;</em></p>
<p>I think more effort is put into helping stray animals in North American than is put into helping &#8220;stray&#8221; people.</p>
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		<title>By: Newsguy Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Newsguy Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 01:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zoom:  The person you describe is exactly the kind of person welfare should be for.  It&#039;s too bad she has to resort to her Dad buying her groceries and keeping quiet about it in order to eat properly.  Perhaps if there was less abuse and the system was under less strain, the people who truly need and deserve welfare would get the support they really need.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As for food banks, perhaps one solution would be electronic cards that could only be used at grocery stores, thereby allowing people to select their own groceries, and preserve their dignity.  For all anyone would know, they&#039;d just be buying groceries on debit cards.  The obvious drawback would be the potential to buy crap, instead of the real food, diapers, milk, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zoom:  The person you describe is exactly the kind of person welfare should be for.  It&#8217;s too bad she has to resort to her Dad buying her groceries and keeping quiet about it in order to eat properly.  Perhaps if there was less abuse and the system was under less strain, the people who truly need and deserve welfare would get the support they really need.</p>
<p>As for food banks, perhaps one solution would be electronic cards that could only be used at grocery stores, thereby allowing people to select their own groceries, and preserve their dignity.  For all anyone would know, they&#8217;d just be buying groceries on debit cards.  The obvious drawback would be the potential to buy crap, instead of the real food, diapers, milk, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: A Happy Downtowner</title>
		<link>http://exurbanpedestrian.wordpress.com/2008/05/22/give-a-man-a-fish/#comment-309</link>
		<dc:creator>A Happy Downtowner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 00:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post and so true. I&#039;m reading a book called Cabbagetown a novel based in the depression era in Toronto. I just finished a chapter where the main character has a rant like yours, people having to line up at the food bank and suffer the indignity of having to go home with your case of food that someone else decided they had to like. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My mother used to work in a soup kitchen (sorry, I don&#039;t know the correct word in English) as a food/volunteers coordinator. There were no meals at the beginning of the month when people on welfare received their cheques. Only rule was that if a child came, they had to feed them. Needless to say, they had their regulars. And this was in a small town east of Montreal. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I agree with you, the system is flawed but would giving them money really be the answer? Yes, there are many who would be like you and me, who would use it wisely, buying food. For all genuine cases (and god knows there are so many) there are many more who are abusing the system. There are some welfare recipients who haven&#039;t known anything else but welfare and who will continue the same trend. Vicious circle... &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What&#039;s the solution? I have no idea. I hope a good and fair solution is found for everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post and so true. I&#8217;m reading a book called Cabbagetown a novel based in the depression era in Toronto. I just finished a chapter where the main character has a rant like yours, people having to line up at the food bank and suffer the indignity of having to go home with your case of food that someone else decided they had to like. </p>
<p>My mother used to work in a soup kitchen (sorry, I don&#8217;t know the correct word in English) as a food/volunteers coordinator. There were no meals at the beginning of the month when people on welfare received their cheques. Only rule was that if a child came, they had to feed them. Needless to say, they had their regulars. And this was in a small town east of Montreal. </p>
<p>I agree with you, the system is flawed but would giving them money really be the answer? Yes, there are many who would be like you and me, who would use it wisely, buying food. For all genuine cases (and god knows there are so many) there are many more who are abusing the system. There are some welfare recipients who haven&#8217;t known anything else but welfare and who will continue the same trend. Vicious circle&#8230; </p>
<p>What&#8217;s the solution? I have no idea. I hope a good and fair solution is found for everyone.</p>
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